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It has been a while since I posted about Salesforce salaries, and the numbers are as high as ever!
The above numbers represent base salaries in the United States, but don’t worry, the full report has data on other countries as well!
Some highlights:
How lucky are we to be in this industry? I totally lucked out myself, and boy am I grateful!
If you’re in the US and your salary isn’t quite up to par with these numbers, well, I recommend getting a copy of this report and showing it to your boss!
Check out the full salary report from Mason Frank, a Salesforce recruiting company. Special thanks to them for letting me show these numbers! (Note: I am not paid for posting this stuff, ha!)
Definitely love to hear your thoughts on this report in the comments!
I can only compliment Mason Frank for their forwardness, I had no problems with them and times I even told them that I was NOT qualified YET to consider a specific position. I have not accepted any offer yet but I soon will once I have more certifications!!
I work in a consulting firm but looks like there a huge catch up I need to play!
You can do it!!
Total compensation vary dramatically with Stock (RSU+Options+Tips+Bonus+Gifts) and relates to company you work with, which in some-cases surpass your base when you sum up. This is also true for Node.Js and Java engineers, Salesforce can help you grow but same is true with Javascript engineer and full-stack are paid even more ! So base salary don’t do justification much in bay area ~182 here is ~130k in Austin/Dallas (high living standard is bonus) which any java developer matches or data engineer, so don’t be discouraged if you are not close.
If your RSU aren’t doing well or having no RSU and living in expensive place like silicon valley, then figures makes sense. But if you are no-tax state and living standard is low you are doing good overall. I find senior Machine learning engineer or AI engineer in valley easily makes `200k’ base+ stocks in valley, so as these days ServiceNow engineers are getting into same range. As SME, it can take you far but your value you bring to table is valued more in product companies is directly proportional to your salary range.
Check Uber total compensation : (avg) of 2k engineers https://www.paysa.com/salaries/uber
Now check Netflix : (avg) no stocks just average base for senior java engineer is https://www.paysa.com/salaries/netflix while full-stack (Angular2/Node) guys surpass 300k/yr total easily.
Moral – give your best in whatever you do ! Be the David Liu of your world and figure/satisfaction follows you :-)
ha ha ha thanks for sharing Harshit!
Wow.. we don’t even get 1/10th of this in India. :/
Honestly, you guys should get a lot more. In many cases, developers from India are even better than developers in the US.
I’ve personally tried to become an Admin (not successfully yet) and have researched the job market locally (Nashville, TN) to put it frankly, these numbers seem hyper inflated. Most starting permanent admins can expect $45-60. Developed locally are seeing between 65-75 on my research. I only care because it’s big deal to switch careers, with family to think about and much debt to pay off. I’m unfortunately skeptical after being burned by a trend in tech almost 20 years ago.
Sounds like devs in Nashville are getting jipped!
There are so many remote dev jobs (with hourly rates in line with the data) that I’m guessing a dev would take double pay plus the flexibility to work from home 100% of the time in Nashville!
Can’t say the same for admins, however. Remote jobs for them are a lot more difficult.
David – thanks for putting fire on my @ $ $ to go after my Tech Arch certs
Go JUN!!! LOL
Hi there David
Low, mid and high – when does one qualify u see which bracket. Myself for example, I currently have two certifications admin and app builder. I am currently on the 2nd of your apex academy Pluralsight courses (which are awesome by the way I will tell you have amazing this is for me another time and how happy I am with it). What bracket do I fall under? I believe it will obviously still be under the admin level but not sure where. 3 years experience and I’m the only one where I work and I am also the developer but utilize clicks not code mainly, it’s a great way to learn Salesforce because I have to. (In a k-8 school with a custom Salesforce setup, no sales).
Hey Scott! Thanks for the note!
You’re right between low and mid IMO. You can make a strong case you deserve mid level salary if you play your cards right. Certs are great cards lol!
Thanks for posting, David. Great info. I would love to see this data broken down by state or region. I think it’s greatly impacted by the cost of living as well as the saturation of Salesforce usage/demand for resources. Any idea if the data exists at that level? Asking because I have a huge gap based on these numbers and I’m hoping the geographic breakdown will help me feel better!
I agree with Heather!
I believe David previously posted an tool that Indeed created to do what you are asking about.
https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Salesforce-Developer-Salaries
Great call, thanks for sharing!!
Thanks Heather! The full report tells you what % of responses come from each state, and it was actually more balanced than I thought.
That said it doesn’t have state level numbers unfortunately but if I find info like that I’ll post it for you!
For the U.S. they do not account for location, which probably makes it very hard to compare numbers. For one, it means that salaries in California have an higher weight in this study and also they should have adjusted the numbers to take into account cost of living, an admin making $60,000 in San Francisco is not the same as making $60,000 in Texas.
David, what would you suggest to do in this situation:
i worked one 1 year in one company and asked for salary increase. As my salary below market, i asked for 20%, with this 20% i would have average salary on the market, they gave me 10% and said, in 9 months i will get another promotion, but i still below market, and in 9 months that 10% will keep me below again, as i would have +1 year of experience more at the end of this year. So i feel like im running and trying to get carrot, which is in front of me, but i never reach it.
So what would you say to your boss, how would you explain that and would you wait this 9 month and ask for 20% or what?
Its quite demotivates me :(
And I feel weak all the time i discuss salary with boss. And i guess its common situation for many of us.
I have a great solution for you Copper. =)
Right now, as you mention, you are in a position of weakness, always asking money from your boss.
You need to flip that script around and put some pressure on your boss!
The best way to do this is amass many Salesforce certifications. Make it very clear to your boss each time you pass one. Ideally, you’d pass at least 5 total.
Now, your boss is going to start worrying you might get approached by other companies and be tempted to leave.
Simultaneously, your market value will increase even more given your certifications. Your confidence is going to rise exponentially too, and with it, your general career motivation. It’ll feel like you just lost 15 pounds and you’re looking great!
At this point, your boss will get a clear picture that he/she needs to take action to keep you. If your boss is smart, that will happen. If not, you probably shouldn’t be working for this person anyway, and it’s time to move on.
If you do move on, I’d recommend using a recruiter, as they will easily get you market value or more. Especially with all your certifications!
5 certifications may sound crazy, but if you look through the success stories on this site it’s really not that crazy at all. I’m also currently drafting up a series on how to get more certifications as I recently passed 10 certs in 10 days. That I believe is quite crazy but 5 certs in 5 months isn’t!
Hope this helps.
David
Please don’t follow Mason Frank. I heard very bad things about them from few Salesforce geeks. They take all the information in the name of surveys and pester the management and individuals to recruit. They often recruit a bunch of school leavers as recruiters and they have no idea what to talk. I am working in the UK from last 4 -5 years in Salesforce field and genuinely please believe my words.
Lol, I get spammed by them too so I’m familiar! Thanks for the warning!
I should add – I’ve use recruiters in the past to find jobs with amazing results, so I genuinely believe in the recruiter method.
I’ve personally never used Mason Frank, so I can’t endorse them. I only know they put out a good survey LOL. Email me if you’re interested in other recruiters!
David
True, there are many good recruiters in the industry who are very professional and trustworthy. I also spoke with many especially from MF. Two of my managers (current one & the previous) had similar issues with them as they continue pestering them. If you believe or not, one of my colleagues even took the issue to legal to stop them from contacting. They had few bad reviews on google but somehow managed to remove those reviews from google.
If you look at the Salary questionnaire from MF, It is a lot of compliance stuff they are requesting. I think few industries can fire the employees for providing such information. For example, how many employees in your Salesforce team and what are their titles? Glad they are not asking for the employee’s Salaries … lol.
Anyway, I never had a pleasant experience from them as they always ask lot of sensitive information like Salary. If one is a vivid follower of Liz Ryan – Forbes in Linkedin, you know what to answer :). However, I have a lot of respect for the recruiters as there are a bunch of good geeks as always !!!
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Hi Harry. My name’s Mallory – I work for Mason Frank. Sorry to hear some of your colleagues had a bad experience with us – could you email me further information on m.goldstein@frankgroup.com as I’d like to investigate this as a matter of urgency?
With regards to the salary survey, I’d like to reassure you that any data we receive is kept strictly confidential. Any email addresses that are voluntarily supplied to us are used for the sole purpose of sending the final version of the survey and are not given to our sales team.
Thanks again for your feedback – hope to hear from you soon.
Thanks David, yes, this is what im going to do, will get as more certificates as possible :)
I knew my salary wasn’t up to par, but… Just going to do a face palm… ♀️
Quite a huge gap between salaries in Spain and US!
What kind of Salesforce salaries are common in Spain? How’s the Salesforce demand there?
As an spanish Salesforce developer for an End Client I can verify that the salary here is like 1/3rd or even less than that compared to USA. Most offers I found offer between 25-35k€ /year. 35-40k having a very senior profile.